The following interview originally aired on the June 12th, 2013 edition of the Ed Schultz Show. If you think that the NSA’s spying activities aren’t that bad because you have nothing to hide, just remember that it isn’t the intrusion of privacy that’s the only problem. One of the main problems with the NSA’s domestic spying is that it is completely unreliable, and it actually helped push us into Iraq years ago. Ring of Fire host Mike Papantonio discusses this with Nation magazine contributor George Zornick.