During an interview with Hillary-lover Chris Matthews, Bernie Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver discussed the importance of opponent Hillary Clinton’s relationship with Wall Street and the big banks.

Matthews and Weaver got into a chicken-vs-egg type discussion over whether Wall Street pays Clinton to change her views or if Clinton already has pro-corporate views that they pay her to reward.

“You’ve got it wrong Chris. They don’t give her money so she will change her position. They give her money because they like her positions.”

This is particularly interesting position to take as the argument over this money in the campaign has so far consisted of Clinton arguing how un-sway-able she is. If this line of reasoning is correct, all of that rationalization that Clinton has taken part in is now null and  void.

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